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- From: byerly_j@srm9.motsat.sat.mot.com (John Byerly)
- Subject: Re: C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada
- Organization: The Dalmatian Group, Inc.
- Date: 08 Feb 1996 00:01:58 GMT
- Message-ID: <BYERLY_J.96Feb7170158@srm9.motsat.sat.mot.com>
- In-Reply-To: cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com's message of Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:04:44 GMT
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- In article <4etcmm$lpd@nova.dimensional.com> cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com (The Right Reverend Colin James III) writes:
-
- > KMays@msn.com (Kenneth Mays) posted with deletions:
- >
- *snip*
-
- > C/C++ is also superior for six, very practical reasons:
- >
- > 1. C/C++ compilers which are industrial quality with professional
- > support are cheaper than the expensive, vendor-gouging Ada ones;
-
- C/C++ is cheaper than Ada. Does that mean that it is superior to Ada? If so, let's
- follow the logic and grab a freeware compiler of some language, since it would be
- (by your logic) more superior to C/C++.
-
- The cost of the tool has NO relation to its effectivness. If it did, one should
- always (or never, depending on your point of view) use GNU tools.
-
- > 2. C/C++ libraries, tools, environments, and add-ons are more
- > plentiful and cheaper than the fewer, much more expensive Ada ones;
-
- More developers, producing more products does not make the tool used for production
- a better tool. Several years ago, there were more Basic and FORTRAN tools and
- environments available than for C++, so they were obviously better languages (by
- your logic).
-
- > 3. C/C++ has hundreds more vendors, trainers, support organizations,
- > and books written about it than Ada; in fact, there is still not a
- > single, excellent textbook about programming in Ada;
-
- Hmm. It seems to me that Booch has written a pretty good book. Can you really
- support that assertion?
-
- > 4. C/C++ is taught in many hundreds more colleges and universities
- > than is Ada: virtually every community college has a course in C/C++
- > programming; virtually no community colleges teach Ada.
-
- It doesn't necessarily follow that, because there are fewer courses taught in
- Ada than C/C++, Ada is the inferior language. It MAY be true that, since Ada is
- an inferior language, not many courses are available for it. Your logic is
- flawed.
-
- > 5. C/C++ jobs are more in demand and plentiful and easier to get and
- > in hundreds more US geographic areas than Ada jobs;
-
- Yes, and burger flipping jobs are even more plentiful than C/C++ jobs. Once again,
- this has NO bearing on how effective a tool is.
-
- > 6. ANSI C code is portable to thousands more discrete platforms than
- > is Ada (at about 900 platforms, counting some multiple times).
-
- Your argument is backwards. You can't use the above items to make your point.
- The fact that a tool is widely available, cheap, portable, etc., may be true
- because the tool is excellent. Or all these things may simply indicate
- aggressive marketing done by the tool's supporters.
-
- > How about popular interest among techies: comp.lang.c and
- > comp.lang.c++ have about 20-times more articles posted daily than does
- > comp.lang.ada.
-
- Actually, this may just be an indicator of the difference in numbers of
- active developers.
-
- > Also, compare the quality of articles posted: comp.lang.ada has a few
- > repressed academics and mostly slime contractors, posting during duty
- > hours paid for by your tax dollars, who attempt to dominate the
- > government propaganda push in the news group.
-
- This sounds more like an ad hominem attack than a logical point.
-
- > The FAQ for comp.lang.ada has set a new, all time low standard for
- > censorship where it suggests kill-filling the name of an outspoken Ada
- > critic (the instant writer); hence the Ada community is so insecure,
- > defensive, and intellectually dishonest that they promote cutting off
- > the tongue of the critic -- now that's a laugh riot.
-
- You?
-
- > (But that is in keeping with the warring factions of DoD wasting your
- > tax dollars by: getting the contractor TRW to fudge a report
- > concluding Ada better than the rest; or setting up pork barrel reuse
- > sites such as ASSET and AdaIC with the sole practical purpose of
- > distributing totally useless "reusable" software and cross-posting
- > short, wimpy, pathetic weekly reports to unrelated usenet groups.)
- >
- > Obvious to even the most casual of observers: Ada 83/95 loses big
- > time, and C/C++ wins by default; it's as simple as that.
-
- Not obvious from your arguments.
-
- JAB
-